Monday, August 10, 2009

Our heritage is at stake

This lesson and warning from Britain's Daniel Hannan (EU Parliament member). This was the fellow so admired for dressing down the British PM a while back and stating so clearly:

"You cannot carry on forever squeezing the productive bit of the economy in order to fund an unprecedented engorgement of the unproductive bit. You cannot spend your way out of recession or borrow your way out of debt."
You can watch his whole speech at The Heritage Foundation and there is some great comments throughout but here's a money quote for our current manufactured health care insurance crisis. [Emphasis added]
If you decide to do this thing, you can’t do it experimentally for a year or two and then change your mind if it doesn’t work out. That isn’t our experience. That isn’t how the dynamic of the thing operates. One point four million people work for the British National Health Service. One point four million people. It is the third largest employer on the planet. The largest is the Chinese Red Army. The second largest is the Indian national railways. The third largest in the British NHS. And here’s the really scary statistic. Of that 1.4 million people, the majority are bureaucrats. There are more managers in that 1.4 million than there are doctors and nurses put together. … When you have that big a block of the electorate who feel that they have a vested interest in the status quo, you try and get any major party to go into an election promising a radical change. … Be absolutely certain before you make this change that you really do want to do it, because if it doesn’t work out, don’t imagine that people are then going to say: “Well, yeah; that’s alright; we’ll just go back to how it was.”
Sounds very much like the education blob.

Keep in mind there are only 60 million people in the UK. That's one health employee for every 43 people. Not one doctor per 43. One health system employee for every 43 people. So if we extrapolate that number to the American population of 304 million we'll get a health blob of over 7 million employees in one form or another and it will be the largest employer on the planet!

And you can be darned sure that the system will find the money to pay for all those employees before it finds the money for grandma's cancer treatment or saving preemies.

At about 27 minutes he states an NHS system in America would be un-American and warns that the NHS was begun as an emergency during war time and that power was never returned to the people.

At 31 minutes he compares the EU Constitution and the American saying the US Constitution is about the freedom of the individual. The EU Constitution is about the power of the state. We the people vs. His Majesty King of the Belgians. Bottom up vs. top down.

Hannan tells us we have a precious heritage that we are in danger of tossing away. We would do well to heed his admonition. Thankfully, many Americans realize this and are rising up to object to our government's all out effort to take our power away from us and keep it for themselves.


Nashteach said...

And you can be darned sure that the system will find the money to pay for all those employees before it finds the money for grandma's cancer treatment or saving preemies.

That statement has no basis in fact.

I'm not sure if you are confused (there's a lot of that going around) or being intentionally misleading (that, too).

Let me state I am not for a single payer system like Britain's, but that's OK because neither is Obama or a majority of members of Congress.

But since you want to compare the two, let's do just that as it relates to grandma's cancer and preemies.


infant mortality rate
UK: 4.93 per 1000
US: 6.3 per 1000
(higher % of dead preemies in US)

maternal mortality
UK: 7 per 1000
US: 8 per 1000
(new Mom more likely to die in US)

death from cancer
UK: 253.5 per 100000
US: 321.9 per 100000
(Grandma more likely to die of cancer in US)

hospital beds per 1000
UK: 4.2 per 1000
US: 3.3 per 1000
(fewer hospital beds for Grandma in US)

So, even though a single payer system is thankfully not what Congress will vote on later in the year, your assertion that grandma and newborns would fare worse under a British style plan is simply wrong.

Ellen said...

Does it bother you that the United States places LAST among 19 industrialized nations in deaths that could have been prevented by access to timely and effective healthcare?

Does it bother you that the United States has the highest infant mortality rate of 19 industrialized nations?

Does it bother you that the United States is the only wealthy, industrialized nation in the world that does not offer health care to all of its citizens? Although nearly 46 million Americans are uninsured, the United States spends six times more per capita on the administration of the health care system than its peer Western European nations - nations that provide health insurance to all their citizens.

Are you aware that bankruptcies attributed to medical bills increased by nearly 50% from 2001 to 2007? 75% of all people who went bankrupt because of medical bills had health insurance. About 1.5 million families lose their homes to foreclosure every year due to unaffordable medical costs.

Since 1999, employment-based health insurance premiums have increased 120%, compared to cumulative inflation of 44% and cumulative wage growth of 29% during the same period. Premiums for employer-sponsored health insurance in the United States have been rising four times faster on average than workers’ earnings since 1999.

Yet, your side is using the usual fear and smear to scare the public.... Obama is going to kill grannie... etc. It's really sad, pathetic.

din819go said...

The US spends twice per capita on healthcare than many other nations. Due to the increased reliance on technology we have more tests, diagnostic tests, etc. done than many other nations with poorer outcomes. Reimbursement has changed to slow this down. These changes have already gone into effect If done correctly reimbursement should be geared towards preventative means rather than what to do once you get sick...

We need to understand the true uninsured number as millions of the 46MM are uninsured by choice.

Does any one know that number?



Kay Brooks said...

The focus of this article is the cost in freedom of this plan. How it will fundamentally change what America was intended to be.

Do you value our place in the industrialized world more than our freedoms?

The statement has a basis in my experience with government. Likely your own experience. We have money to renovate the BOE bathrooms but not enough for repairs at Hume Fogg.

A quick search this morning fails to find what I saw before saying the vast majority of those 46million+- are young people who, like most young people, think they're invincible and so choose not to purchase health care coverage. I'll keep my eye open for it.

Kay Brooks said...

See Fuzzy Health Care Math for the answer to the 46 million uninsured. Looks like it's really less than 15 million.

Nashteach said...

And here's a truth-o-meter that seems a pretty unbiased place to sort the "rumors" from the truth. Something for everyone.

It includes the statement

"As many as 22,000 Americans die each year because they don’t have health insurance."

which it declares as true.

So for some our heritage is at stake, for some, a little bit more than American political heritage.

Eric said...

So, available government-provided healthcare correlation proves the causation of extended life and lower mortality rates?

Life expectancy for grandma is greater in the US:

Interesting stats. We take better care of elders, or we do a better job of killing ourselves young - maybe both.

Mike said...

And of course, you realize that Britain's health plan is nothing like that being debated here.

So -- a little red herring helps divert the issue?